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The Supreme Court Gives Ohio the Right to Place Bets on the Browns

>>> THE Supreme Court GIVES OHIO THE RIGHT TO PLACE BETS ON THE BROWNS AND THE BUCKEYES. JOINING US ON “COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD” THIS WEEK — JESSE BALMERT, STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE “CINCINNATI ENQUIRER.” JULIE CARR SMYTH, STATEHOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR THE “ASSOCIATED PRESS.”

SAM GRESHAM OF COMMON CAUSE OHIO. AND GENE KREBS, FORMER STATE LEGISLATOR. >>> FOR DECADES, THE ONLY PLACES YOU COULD LEGALLY GAMBLE WAS LAS VEGAS AND ATLANTIC CITY. THEN LITTLE BY LITTLE, CASINOS SPREAD ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

NOW THEY’RE JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE. SO IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE LAST REMAINING GAMBLING SECTOR WOULD GO MAINSTREAM LEGALLY. THIS WEEK, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT DID JUST THAT, NULLIFYING THE FEDERAL BAN ON SPORTS BETTING.

THAT LEAVES IT TO STATES LIKE OHIO TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT IT. TEN SHORT YEARS AGO, THERE WAS NO GAMBLING IN OHIO EXCEPT FOR THE LOTTERY AND HORSE TRACKS. THEN CAME CASINOS AND RACINOS. NOW BOTH MEN RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR SAY THEY ARE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF US BETTING OUR LIFE SAVINGS ON THE BROWNS TO COVER THE SPREAD. SAM GRESHAM, HOW EAGER ARE YOU TO DO THAT?

HOW LONG UNTIL IT HAPPENS? >> FIRST OF ALL I PREDICTED THIS TEN YEARS AGO, THAT WE WOULD HAVE A GLUT OF GAMBLING. I THINK THERE ARE SOME POINTS THAT ARE MISSED.

THIS IS AN INEVITABLE EVOLUTION OF THE NEED FOR REVENUE IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT. THIS IS INEVITABLE. IT WAS GOING TO GET THERE. NOW IN THE EARLY STAGES IT’S GOING TO ALWAYS OVERPROMISE AND UNDERPERFORM. IT’S ALWAYS GOING TO DO THAT. BUT THERE ARE SOME SUBTLE TEES IN THIS, BECAUSE OF THE DOMESTIC LOCALITY.

YOU CAN DO IT IN YOUR STATE. I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE BETTER WATCH OUT FOR. COLLEGE ATHLETICS. I’M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT NOW HAPPENS TO COLLEGE ATHLETICS.

I’M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT IF THEY DON’T COMPENSATE THEM YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG LADIES WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN COLLEGE ATHLETICS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THESE BETTINGS WILL. >> IT’S HAPPENING ALREADY. THEY ARE ESTIMATING OHIO SPARTZ BETTING IS A $3 BILLION A YEAR INDUSTRY. AND 95% OF IT IS ILLEGAL. IT’S HAPPENING NOW.

>> UH-HUH. >> WILL THIS CHANGE THINGS MUCH? >> WELL, I THINK THAT A WAY THAT POLITICIANS CAN KIND OF HEDGE THEIR BETS ON THIS IS THAT THEY CAN SAY WELL, IT’S NOT THAT I FAVOR EXPANDED GAMBLING. THE CLIMATE IS SUCH THAT WE THE LAWMAKERS NEED TO GET AHEAD OF A BALLOT MEASURE FOR PEOPLE WE DON’T KNOW AND PEOPLE OUTSIDE OUR STATE WOULD BE SETTING THE RULES.

WE HAVE SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. A THREAT COMES FORWARD AND LAWMAKERS ACT UPON SOMETHING THEY HAVEN’T WANTED TO DO FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THERE IS A VALID POINT TO IT, IF THE YOU CONTROL THAT PROCESS AND LEMGS LATE IT AND PUT IT INTO THE REVISED CODE YOU HAVE MORE CONTROL IN OFFERING THAT. >> RECENTLY WITH THE TWO REDISTRICTING MEASURES ONE FOR THE STATEHOUSE AND ONE FOR CONGRESS, FOR THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS JUST PASSED.

>> I THINK SAM IS RIGHT, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MISCHIEF. IT’S THE STATE ENCOURAGING AND AIDING AND ABETTING DYSFUNCTIONAL BEHAVIOR. WE HAVE 200,000 LOTTERY ADDICTS IN THIS STATE WHO EACH WEEK SPEND 40% OF THEIR WEEKLY INCOME ON LOTTERY PRODUCTS. WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS MILLENNIALS DON’T SMOKE, DRINKING IS GOING DOWN, AND THEY DO NOT GO TO LAS VEGAS AND THEY DO NOT PLAY THE PONIES. LONG TERM, THEIR MARKET IS COLLAPSING ON THEM AND THEY ARE TRYING COME UP WITH NEW WAYS. >> JESSE, WILL LAWMAKERS ACT ON THIS BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BALLOT?

>> I THINK JULIE IS RIGHT THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME PRESSURE FROM BALLOT GROUPS TO MAKE LAWMAKERS GO FORWARD ON THIS PERHAPS FASTER THAN THEY WOULD EDGEWISE. REPORTERS AND I SPOKE WITH A SENATOR THIS WEEK. HE DOESN’T SEEM LIKE HE IS IN A HUGE RUSH TO GET MOVING ON THIS. LAWMAKERS ARE MEETING NEXT WEEK AND THEN BREAKING UNTIL THE END OF NOVEMBER AFTER THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. IF YOU THINK THIS IS COMING TO YOUR DOOR IMMEDIATELY I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO BE INA FOR A WAIT. >> THERE IS A PROPOSAL OUT OF CLEVELAND.

A BUSINESSMAN IS PROPOSING A BALLOT ISSUE, FALL OF 2019, SPORTS BETTING COULD GO ANYWHERE, RESTAURANTS, BARS, OUT OF STATE. HE WANTS TO EXPAND SLOT MACHINES INTO RESTAURANTS STATEWIDE. HE WANTS THE BLOW UP THE 2009 AMENDMENT AND SAY ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE.

>> EACH AT DAY-CARE CENTERS? >> YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT WHAT IS GOING TO ESCALATE IT? WEST VIRGINIA IS POSITIONING ITSELF. PENNSYLVANIA IS POSITIONING ITSELF.

MICHIGAN HASN’T DONE ANYTHING YET. AND INDIANA HASN’T. THE PRESSURE BECOMES WHEN THOSE SURROUNDING STATES ARE DOING THIS AND WE DON’T HAVE THE GOODIES AND THE PROGRAMS. >> I THINK THAT’S TRUE, BUT WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM ABOUT WEST VIRGINIA.

HE WAS LIKE, WELL, IF WEST VIRGINIA IS DOING IT WE ARE FINE WAITING HERE. SO IF IT’S EVERY SURROUNDING STATE, THAT THAT ADDS TO THAT. WHO KNOWS? I KNOW THAT A SENATOR RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR AS DEATH DEMOCRAT HAS INTRODUCED A BILL TO THIS EFFECT. IT’S SOMETHING THEY ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT SOON BUT WHETHER THEY ARE MOVING ON IT IS ANOTHER THING.

>> IT BECOMES SOMETHING LIKE WHEN THE U.S. SUPREME COURT MAKES A DECISION THEN IT IS A WAR BETWEEN THE STATES OVER WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO EXPAND OR RISK NOT EXPANDING AND HAVE PEOPLE LEAVE THE STATE TO TAKE THEIR BUSINESS. >> YOU TALK ABOUT MILLENNIALS. IS SPORTS BETTING AT A CASINO OR AT A FACILITY SO PASSE? I MEAN YOU HAVE FANTASY BASEBALL, DAILY FANTASY BASEBALL AND FOOTBALL — IT’S ALL DONE ON LINE. HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO A STATE PROGRAM? >> THAT’S PART OF IT.

FOR THE MILLENNIALS THEY ARE SIMPLY NOT GOING TO CASINOS TO RACINOS, RACETRACKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. GOING BACK TO THE OTHER VALID POINT THAT WAS MADE, IF IT COMES TO OHIO IT WILL HAVE TO BE TIGHTLY REGULATED. AND VIEWED NOT UNLIKE HOW WE HANDLE LIQUOR SALES THROUGH STATE STORES.

AND ONLY CERTAIN LOCATIONS, BROWN BAG, TAKING IT OUT — IN OTHER WORDS, MAKE IT AS UNSEXY AS IS POSSIBLE BUT ALSO PUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF THE MONEY FROM THAT THEN DIRECTLY BACK INTO GAMBLING ADDICTION. BECAUSE THE ONE HAND, WE HAVE ADVERTISING ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO GAMBLE. AND SO WE ARE ENCOURAING A DYSFUNCTIONAL BEHAVIOR. LET’S FACE IT.

THAT’S WHAT THIS IS. >> THE INTERESTING THING, AS TO YOUR ORIGINAL POINT, THE FACT THAT BOTH A DEMOCRAT AND A REPUBLICAN RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR ARE FAVORING THIS JUST SHOWS HOW INEVITABLE IT FEELS TO PEOPLE AT THIS POINT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF FIGHTING BACK AGAINST IT. >> I THINK THERE IS ALSO GOING TO BE OTHER QUESTIONS OTHER THAN JUST WILL THE STATE ALLOW THIS? THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS FOR LIKE UNIVERSITIES.

SHOULD PROFESSORS BE ABLE TO BET ON THE OUTCOME OF GAMES WHERE THEIR STUDENTS MIGHT BE FOOTBALL PLAYERS OR SOMETHING? SO I THINK AFTER THE STATE MAKES A DECISION THERE IS GOING TO BE SO MANY OTHER PARTS OF THIS TO FIGURE OUT. >> I GO BACK TO MY PHRASE, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MISCHIEF HERE, ISN’T IT. >> POTENTIALLY.

>> AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS COULD EXPLODE THIS. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ITS AVAILABILITY AND ITS PROXIMITY AND THE SOCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF IT SURROUNDING YOU. YOU KNOW, VEGAS IS OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE. THIS IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING IT ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

>> YOU KNOW, THE CASINO ON THE WEST SIDE, IT HASN’T LIVED UP TO THE PROMISE. >> NO. >> IT HASN’T CREATED THE JOBS. THIS CREATED SOME JOBS. BUT THE PROSTITUTION HAS NOT COME UP, CRIME HASN’T INCREASED IN THAT AREA.

I DON’T KNOW THE STATS ON. GAIBLING ADDICTION IN OHIO. MY GUESS IS IT HAS INCREASED A LITTLE BUT IT HASN’T BEEN THE ROOM IN AND DOOM THAT OPPONENTS SAID IT WOULD BE HAD HE IT WAS PROPOSED.

>> THAT’S ALL THE CASE. IT’S HE HAVE WHERE. YOU CAN GAMBLE ANYWHERE YOU WANT. IT MAKES IT INSIDIOUS AND HARD TO SEE.

IT’S NOT LIKE EVERYBODY GUESS TO THE DOMINO PLACE OR EVERYBODY GOES TO WHEREVER AND YOU CAN’T SEE THE CLUSTERS. BUT IT’S WORSE NOW, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING IT ARE REALLY ADDICTED TO IT. IT CHANGES THE CHEMISTRY IN THEIR BODY. >> ALL RIGHT. >>> WE STILL DON’T KNOW WHO WILL BE ONE OF THE THREE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN STATE GOVERNMENT.

HOUSE REPUBLICANS MET THIS WEEK TO TRY TO PICK A NEW HOUSE SPEAKER. THEY COULD NOT. APPARENTLY, STATE REPRESENTATIVE RYAN SMITH OF SOUTHEAST OHIO FELL A FEW VOTES SHORT OF THE 50 HE NEEDED TO SECURE THE TOP SPOT. THAT PROMPTED THE HOUSE TO CANCEL ITS SESSION THIS WEEK, WHERE THEY PLANNED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE LAWS. RYAN SAYS HE’S CONFIDENT HE’LL HAVE THE VOTES TO BECOME SPEAKER BY THE TIME THE HOUSE MEETS AGAIN WEDNESDAY.

JESSE BALMERT IS THAT THE THINKING, THEY WILL GET THIS THING SETTLED BETWEEN NOW AND THE 23rd? >> I THINK THAT IS MISDESIRED TO HAVE IT SETTLED NEXT WEEK. I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF CHATS OVER THE WEEKEND.

I SPENT FOUR HOURS OUTSIDE OF VARIOUS ROOMS WHERE THEY WERE CHATTING EARLIER THIS WEEK. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE THAN THE CONVERSATIONS THEY HAVE HAD ALREADY. LIKE YOU SAID, RYAN SMITH IT WAS THE TOP VOTE GETTER OUT OF THE 65-MEMBER CAUCUS. THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PICK SOMEBODY.

THERE ARE 33 DEMOCRATS IN THE OHIO HOUSE WHO HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT BUY BUYING INTO WHOEVER YOU PICK ESSENTIALLY. THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE FBI INVESTIGATION THAT IS SURROUNDING THE RESIGNED SPEAKER, ROSENBERGER. THERE ARE ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT GOP DONOR MONEY BEING SPENT AND WHETHER THAT WAS SPENT WISELY.

I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE CONTENTIONS ABOUT. RYAN SMITH HOPES THAT HE’S THE PERSON WHO COMES OUT OF THAT. BUT ANY THOMPSON, OF THE MARIETTA AIR ALSO GOT 20 VOTES. AND REPRESENTATIVE DOROTHY POLANDO WAS ALSO IN THE MIX AS WELL. THE QUESTION IS DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH RYAN SMITH WHO WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE BATTLE WITH THE FORMER SPEAKER OR DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH A TERM LIMITED PERSON WHO MIGHT KEEP IT ROLLING FOR THE REST OF 2018? >> I LIKED HOW ANDY THOMPSON PUT IT.

HE SAID AFTER LET IT BE, I CAN BE THEIR ABBEY ROAD. I HAVE NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT. I’M TERM LIMITED.

AND I THINK IT’S POSSIBLE WE COULD END ON A HIGH NOTE. [ LAUGHTER ] >> IT SEEMS TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS FIGHT AGAIN IN JANUARY. GUARANTEED.

>> RIGHT. >> WHY DON’T THEY HAVE A PLACE HOLDER FOR THE ONE SESSION IN MAY AND THE LAME DUCK SESSION WILL BE IMPORTANT BUT WHY NOT HAVE A PLACE HOLDER UNTIL THEN. >> FOR MANY OF THE MEMBERS THEY VIEW THE CAMPAIGN ARM OF THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS AS BEING DECADENT. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT HOW IT WORKS IS THAT SOMETIME AROUND SUSPECT YOU GET A PHONE CALL FROM THE CAUCUS SAYING YOU DON’T HAVE THAT MUCH OF A CAMPAIGN, WE NEED ALL OF YOUR MONEY. ALL THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE LABORIOUSLY RAISED FROM YOUR PEOPLE, WE NEED IT ALL. YOU CAN KEEP $1,000.

OKAY? SO YOU GIVE IT. AND BECAUSE IT’S FOR THE TEAM. IT’S TO HELP GET OTHER PEOPLE ELECTED, GET YOUR COLLEAGUES ELECTED AND KEEP THE CAUCUS GOING. NOW YOU FIND OUT IT’S BEEN BLOWN ON DINNERS AT LINDY’S.

>> NOT GOOD. >> IS THOSE MEMBERS ARE GOING WAIT A MINUTE HERE, I FEEL USED. WE NEED TO HAVE — ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANY GUARDRAILS PUT IN PLACE? THEY ARE NOT HAVING — THAT DISCUSSION DID NOT HAPPEN IN THAT TALK NEWS BUT THE 800 POUND GORILLA IS LARRY HOUSEHOLDER. >> LARRY HOUSEHOLDER BUT IT’S THE BACK BENCHERS THE ORDINARY REPRESENTATIVES SITTING THERE GOING WE ARE NOT HAPPY. I KNOW THAT SMITH HAS BEEN PROMISING SOME MEMBERS YOU VOTE FOR ME I’LL PUT RIGHT TO WORK ON THE FLOOR.

>> ISN’T IT ALMOST GIVEN THAT OUR HOUSEHOLDER WILL WIN THIS AND WHEN THE REGULAR VOTE COMES AT THE END OF THE YEAR — >> IT’S — IT’S VERY LIKELY IN MY OPINION BECAUSE OF WHAT HE DID IN THE PRIMARIES. >> RIGHT. >> WHAT IT ALSO PROVES IS THAT FOR SO MANY OF THESE MEMBERS — YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ONLY ABOUT THERE FOR TWO, FOUR, SIX YEARS, THEY THINK THEY KNOW HOW EVERYTHING WORKS. TO TAKE A PHRASE FROM BARRY SWITZER OF OKLAHOMA HE SAID SOME PEOPLE ARE BORN ON THIRD BASE AND THEY THINK THEY HIT A TRIPLE. OKAY.

HEY, I’M HERE. I’M THE CHAIR OF THIS, THE VICE OF THIS. >> WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR POLICY MAKING FOR LAW MAKING IN OHIO BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR IS ANYTHING GOING TO GET DONE? PAY DAY LENDING IS STILL THERE AND THAT’S WHAT STARTED THIS WHOLE MESS? >> RIGHT. I THINK THAT IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

THE 50 VOTES ISN’T IN LAW OR EVEN IN RULE ANYWHERE. THE POINT BEING THE CURRENT LEADER OF THE CHAMBER HAS SAID, SHEARRING SAID WE HAVE TO HAVE 50. IF OUR LEADER DOESN’T HAVE 50 AND WE GO BACK INTO SESSIONS AND WE HAVE A CONTROVERSIAL BILL AND I CAN’T CONTROL THE MAJORITY OF THE 99, I CAN’T GET ANYTHING DONE.

I THINK THAT SAM IS RIGHT THAT HOUSEHOLDER IS THE GORILLA IN THE ROOM, BECAUSE HE’S NOT PUT HIS NAME IN FOR THIS SPEAKER FIGHT. BUT IF SMITH WINS IT SOME WOULD SAY HE IS POSITIONING BETTER TO BE THE NEXT SPEAKER. BUT THEN OTHERS COULD SAY HE WOULD BE FACING A HORRIBLE DEFEAT IF HE THEN — YOU KNOW, HOUSEHOLDER DOESN’T HAVE THE VOTES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HE HAS TO WAIT FOR JANUARY. >> THE ONE THING WE DO KNOW AFTER THIS PRIMARY IS HOUSEHOLDER KNOWS HOW TO RUN RACES.

AND THE SMITH AND THE REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO RUN RACES. >> LARRY HOUSEHOLDER HAD A SLATE OF CANDIDATES WHO PROMISED TO VOTE FOR HIM FOR SPEAKER AND HE BACKED THEY WILL IN THE PRIMARY. >> HE TOOK 10 OUT OF 11. OKAY?

IT’S NOT A FAIR FIGHT. >> LET’S GET TO OUR OTHER TOPIC SWIRLING AROUND THE STATEHOUSE. >>> THERE IS ONE GROUP BENEFITING FROM THE COLLAPSE OF THE ELECTRONIC CLASSROOM OF TOMORROW — OHIO CHARITIES. THEY SUDDENLY FIND THEMSELVES THE RECIPIENTS OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN CAMPAIGN DONATIONS ECOT OFFICIALS ONCE GAVE TO OHIO POLITICIANS. MOST OF THEM WENT TO REPUBLICANS.

AS THE FBI STARTS LOOKING AT THE FAILED VIRTUAL CHARTER SCHOOL AND ITS OVER-INFLATED ATTENDANCE FIGURES, PROMINENT GOP LAWMAKERS ARE DOING A 180 ON THE SCHOOL. THEY ARE GIVING BACK THOSE DONATIONS. AUDITOR DAVE YOST, WHO A FEW YEARS AGO PRAISED THE SCHOOL FOR ITS RECORD KEEPING, NOW SAYS AN AUDIT SHOWS POSSIBLE FRAUD. AND HE’S REFERRED THE CASE TO PROSECUTORS.

JULIE CARR SMYTH, HOW DOES HE JUSTIFY WHAT HE SAID THEN THAT HE THOUGHT IT WAS DOING WELL WITH THIS CURRENT AUDIT THAT HE SAYS COULD BE CRIMINAL? >> THERE ARE A COUPLE THING. ONE IS THAT THE CLEAN AUDITS THAT THE SCHOOL WAS GETTING BEFORE WHERE HE SAYS FINANCIAL AUDITS THAT REFLECTED THE LAWS AND THE RULES PUT UPON THE SCHOOL AT THE TIME. THOSE LAWS CHANGED — I MEAN, THOSE RULES CHANGED BETWEEN THIS CURRENT SCHOOL YEAR AND THE ONE BEFORE.

AND SO THEY HAD TO MEET SOME NEW RULES. SO THIS AUDIT LOOKS AT — AND THE FRAUD COMES FROM USE OF A SOFTWARE THAT CAME INTO PLAY AFTER THOSE FIRST FINDINGS. SO I THINK HE’S SAYING THAT — AND HE ALSO REALLY WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THE AWARDS THAT HIS OFFICE GAVE, OH, THEY WERE MERELY FOR, YOU KNOW, JUMPING THROUGH HOOPS. ANYONE CAN GET THOSE. AND THEY ARE NOT REALLY — THEY ARE NOT REALLY FOR HAVING CLEAN BOOKS. THEY ARE FOR, YOU KNOW, MEETING CERTAIN BENCHMARKS OR WHATEVER.

>> I DID FEEL BAD FOR THE COUNTIES THAT HAVE THOSE HANGING ON THEIR WALLS. OH, THIS IS JUST PERFUNCTORY, GUYS. >> HE SAYS ONCE A WEEK THESE ARE THE GUY WHO IS GET GREAT AUDITS AND DID A GREAT JOB. >> YOST IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL BE UNSCATHED IN THIS. THE AMOUNT OF G., THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS A LOT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR IN THIS THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BUT ONE DAY SOMEBODY TURNED THE DOOR AND THE GREAT THINGS THAT ECOT WERE DOING WENT AWAY AND THEN ALL THESE THINGS STARTED SHOWING UP.

I DON’T THINK THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BE THE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL NOR THE REGULATORY SYSTEMS WERE DOING WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. >> HOW MUCH BLOWBACK, GENE, DO REPUBLICANS FEAR ABOUT THIS? >> I DON’T THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE AS MUCH BLOWBACK ON THIS PARTICULAR SCANDAL AS SOME OTHER ONES BECAUSE CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE NOT FOUND ANYWHERE ACROSS THE STATE. PEOPLE DO NOT FEEL THAT SAME IMMEDIATE CONNECTION. I THINK IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON CERTAIN AREAS. I’LL GO WITH ONE OF MY FAVORITE ANALOGIES.

IT WILL BE LIKE COLD BUTTER ON WONDER BREAD. IT WILL BE CLUMPY. IT WON’T BE SPREAD EVENLY.

IT WON’T BE LIKE MELTED BUTTER ON TOAST. IT WILL BE A CRISIS IN WORTHINGTON AND DUBLIN. BUT OUT IN NAPOLEON, THEY WON’T CARE ABOUT IT.

I AM SAYING IT’S NOT GOING TO BE EVENLY APPLY EVERYWHERE. >> 12,000 STUDENTS IN PARIS, TOO. >> THE ACCUMULATION EFFECT. WE HAVE THE SPEAKER HAVING RESIGNED TO HE HAVE THE FBI THING. NOW WE HAVE THE FBI LOOKING AT ECOT.

THESE WERE SITUATIONS WHERE THE REPUBLICANS WERE SORT OF LEADING AND PROUD OF THINGS THAT THEY WERE DOING THAT ARE NOW KIND OF BEING — THEY ARE BUILDING UP. THEY ARE ADDING UP. >> JESSE, REPUBLICANS AFTER THIS HAPPENED WERE SAYING YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WERE THE ONES THAT IMPLEMENTED THE REFORMS THAT CATTY COT.

IS HE WE SET UP THE SYSTEM THAT PERHAPS HAD SOME SHORTCOMINGS AND WE FIXED IT. HOW DOES THAT PLAY? HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> I THINK THAT HAS TO BE THEIR ARGUMENT BECAUSE THEY WENT OUT THERE AND LAUDED IT AS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BRADY WHETHER IT IS EVENLY SPREAD OR NOT. AND THEY WERE CHEERLEADER FOR THE ORGANIZATION AND THEY GOT A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE FOUNDERS AND OTHERS OUT THERE.

IT IS TIED TO THEM VERY CLOSELY. SO THERE WERE SOME LAWS PASSED VERY RECENTLY THAT HAVE MADE AUDITS EASIER, HAVE MADE FINANCIAL RECORDS EASIER TO LOOK AT, WHICH IS TRUE. BUT THERE WERE MANY YEARS WHERE THERE IS VERY LITTLE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR E COT AND IT WAS ABLE TO GROW INTO THE FORCE THAT HAS 12,000 STUDENTS AND 800 EMPLOYEES.

TO YOUR POINT, I DON’T KNOW IF THIS IS DEMOCRATS BEST MESSAGE FOR THE ELECTION. I DON’T KNOW HOW IT CONNECTS BUT OBVIOUSLY IT IS A PROBLEM FOR REPUBLICANS. >> DEMOCRATS DID GET SOME MONEY FROM ECOT’S FOUNDER AND OFFICIALS THE. BUT NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS REPUBLICANS.

CORDRAY GOT $600. >> PARTIALLY BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT IN CONTROL OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD REGULATE THEM. >> THIS IS A CRISIS MADE FROM THAT. WHAT IS IT, 0 — $80 MILLION MISUSED?

NO, THEY CAN’T WALK AWAY FROM THIS. THEY NEED TO MAKE A WAY TO MAKE THIS SOUND LIKE MUSIC. THAT THIS IS REALLY BAD, AND THEY NEED TO FLARE IT UP. I AGREE WITH YOU IN SOME PORTIONS BUT IN THE BIG CITIES IT WILL RESONATE. >> I’M NOT SAG IT WON’T RESONATE. I WOULD NOT ADVISE THEM TO MAKE THIS A UNIVERSAL STATEWIDE ADVERTISING THEME.

I JUST THINK PEOPLE IN NAPOLEON, OHIO WILL GO I DON’T GET THIS. BECAUSE THEY DON’T. I WOULDN’T GET NIGHT I DID ASK A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS IT PROBLEM THAT BRICKS AND MORTAR SCHOOLS WOULD BE TABLE — TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SCHOOL CHOICE ISSUES THAT WERE INTENDED TO BE FIXED BY SCHOOLS LIKE ECOT OR ADDRESSED BY ECOT. IT’S NOT THAT SIMPLE. IT’S DIFFICULT WITH A PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT ALSO FALLS UNDER A LOT OF PARAMETERS AND PHYSICAL ATTENDANCE.

SO I THINK THAT THAT’S STILL A TALKING POINT FOR THE FALL. >> THERE IS ANOTHER POINT AND THIS IS RESONATING IN MY COMMUNITY, NOBODY WENT TO JAIL. SOME PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED. $80 BILLION WENT OVER THE WING AND NOBODY GOES TO JAIL? >> THERE ARE BETTER OR SHALL I SAY MORE TRANSLATABLE CORRUPTION ISSUES OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT DEALING WITH AND NOT TALKING ABOUT.

BUT THAT’S ANOTHER TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY. >> $80 MILLION, RIGHT. >> $80 MILLION. >> THE INVESTIGATION IS JUST GETTING GOING. >> WE’LL SEE. JOHN KASICH CONTINUES HIS INDEPENDENT STREAK.

THIS WEEK, HE DECLINED TO ENDORSE HIS PARTY’S NOMINEE FOR GOVERNOR, BUT HE DID SAY HE’LL VOTE FOR MIKE DEWINE. AND IN A NOT SO SUBTLE MOVE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, KASICH ANNOUNCED A NEW OFFICE DESIGNED TO HELP IMMIGRANTS FIND JOBS, JOB TRAINING, AND SCHOOLS IN OHIO. >> THIS IS REALLY CRITICAL IN TERMS OF FULL ASSIMILATION, MAKING THEIR LIVES MORE COMFORTABLE AT A TIME WHEN THERE CAN BE GREAT TURBULENCE AND ANXIETY. WE DON’T WANT THAT BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO COME TO OHIO. WE WANT THEM TO BRING THEIR SKILLS. WE WANT THEM TO BRING THEIR FAMILIES.

AND WE WANT THEM TO BRING THEIR HEARTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE ENERGY OF THE BUCKEYE STATE. >> WHILE THE OFFICE IS DESIGNED TO HELP DOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, KASICH SAYS HE WON’T ASK THE IMMIGRANTS’ LEGAL STATUS. WHY THE SUDDEN INTEREST IN OHIO’S IMMIGRANT POPULATION BY THE GOVERNOR?

>> BECAUSE HE RECOVERED FROM HIS OHIO RIVER FEVER AND NOW HAS POTOMAC RIVER ISSUE. THIS IS AN ISSUE ALL ABOUT THE POTOMAC RIVER. THAT’S WHAT IT’S ABOUT. >> DOES IT SHOW FURTHER THAT HE’S NOT INTERESTED IN THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT AND HE WANTS TO RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT? >> YOU GET INTO AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION HERE.

I THINK I WILL — I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT I’LL GIVE YOU A BROADER ONE TO THINK ABOUT FOR ANOTHER TIME. IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE GOP AFTER TRUMP? WHAT HAPPENS AFTER TRUMP?

>> KASICH COULD BE HOPING THAT COOLER HEADS PREVAIL BECAUSE WE ARE MODERATE. >> I DON’T KNOW. >> THAT MAY BE ONLY FOUR YEARS. SO HE CAN LAY IN THE CARDS FOR A WHILE THEN COME OUT.

>> AS GENE SAYS HE HAS TRIED FOR A WHILE NOW TO BE PART OF THIS LARGER NATIONAL POLITICAL CONVERSATION. HE IS TRYING TO HIT ON ALL THE HOT BUTTON ISSUES, IMMIGRATION NOW. HEALTH CARE. GUNS. SO FORTH.

AND HE’S TRYING TO BE A LEADER WHETHER OR NOT HE IS ELECTED TO ANY OTHER OFFICE. I THINK HE WANTS TO LEAD ON POLICY. AND HE — MY SENSE OF THE GOVERNOR IS HE IS AN IDEA PERSON. HE ENJOYS WAKING UP-AND-COMING UP WITH IDEAS EVERY DAY. AND HE WEARS PEOPLE AROUND HIM OUT A LITTLE BIT WITH SO MANY IDEAS. BUT YOU KNOW, HE JUST KEEPS TRYING KICKING IT AROUND.

>> SO HE’S BASICALLY NOW WITH DEWINE LEADING THE TICKET KASICH IS IN REALITY NO LONGER THE LEADER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN OHIO. IT FALLS TO DEWINE TO LEAD THAT TICKET. HOW MUCH OF THIS JESSE IS KASICH TRYING TO MAINTAIN RELEVANCE AT THE STATEHOUSE AND IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT. >> I THINK IT IS AN ISSUE TALKED ABOUT NATIONALLY HE WANTS TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. THIS OFFICE KULS A LOT OF THE SERVICES OHIO IS ALREADY PROVIDING. THERE IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY BEING SENT HERE.

IT IS A ONE-STOP STOP. HE IS ATTACKING IT FROM THAT WAY. KASICH HASN’T BEEN IN LINE WITH THE OHIO REPUBLICANS OR THE OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.

THIS IS NOT PARTICULARLY NEW FOR HIM. >> I’M GOING TO LAY OUT A SCENARIO HERE THAT HAS POSSIBILITIES. THE APOCALYPSE AFTER TRUMP GOES AWAY CREATES A WHOLE NEW UNSETTLED LANDSCAPE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. IT DOES. THE OPPORTUNITY THEN IS WE’VE GONE DOWN THAT ROAD AND LOOK WHAT IT COST US.

IT MAY HAVE COST US THE HOUSE. IT MAY HAVE COST US THE SENATE. AND IT COST US THE PRESIDENT. WE NOW HAVE THIS COW BELL ON US WITH ALL THESE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TATTOOED ON US. MAYBE THE BEST WAY IS TO MAKE A RADICAL SHIFT, DUST OFF THAT AUTOPSY — >> AND GIVE TO IT KASICH. >> GIVE IT TO KASICH.

>> >>> OKAY. TIME FOR OUR FINAL OFF THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS. GENE KREBS. >> THE NEW BOOK HAS COME OUT.

GOOGLE IT AND YOU CAN GET A COPY. >> SAM. >> I THINK THIS GAMBLING THING IS GOING TO AFFECT COLLEGES MORE THAN WE THINK. >> COLLEGE PROFESSORS.

>> JULIE. >> BROWN CAME OUT OF THE BOX FOR THE ELECTION SEASON WITH A NEGATIVE AD AGAINST RAY NIECY AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO SIGNAL A NASTY EXPENSIVE SENATE CAMPAIGN SEASON. >> AND JESSE? >> SO I GUESS AS OUR TOKEN MILLENNIAL I WOULD SAY IF SPORTS GAMBLING BECAME LEGAL IN OHIO I WOULD ROOT FOR THE OHIO UNIVERSITY BOBCATS BUT THAT MIGHT BE A BAD BET. >> YOU KNOW YOU CAN BET ON THEM TO LOSE, TOO. >> YOU CAN MAKE MONEY ANY WAY YOU WANT.

>> I DON’T HAVE AN OFF THE RECORD COMMENT EXCEPT TO SAY PADS OF BUTTER ON WONDER BREAD. WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE JEEF KREBS BACK. [ LAUGHTER ] >> THAT IS “COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD” FOR THIS WEEK. CHECK US OUT ON LINE, FACEBOOK, TWITTERER. OUR WEBSITE, WOSU.ORG. I CAN’ MIKE THOMPSON, HAVE A GOOD WEEK.

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